Nicholas Katzenbach , WED.SEP,990915

   ============================: TUE.OCT,991012 :============================12-14|  PRDI  LUNCHEON on DRUG POLICY : Ira Glasser, Exec Dir ACLU : "Drug Prohibition & Individual Rts." . HARMONIE CLUB , 4 E. 60th , $50  RSVP  212-362-1964|13:17| TomH : Free Speach .8 sucess in Supreme Crt . Drugs < .2 . Ira brought Drugs up front w ACLU .|13:19| IraG : Total assault on notion of individual sovereignty . w talk abt Racial effect . If evenly applied , could not be sustained . ( Speaking on campus must remember that aud not alive when Regan took office ) . Must be Historian .   120k citizens ( Japanese ) imprisoned in `42 . ACLU . Racism & War Hysteria . Speaks out while happening . Not same  treatment for Italians or Germans . Slaves : 'Inalianable rights did not apply . ' `42 not unique . Only learned of Jap situation in `60s when started working  for ACLU .  RR signed reparations bill in `82 . Skin color once again being used as evidence . Ohio Lawyer Robert Wilkins family stopped & humiliated on interstate . Black Teens now best know Traffic codes . Rogue Policy , not just individual cops . .17 driven by blacks , .73 of stopped . Latinos make tot .8 . Same pattern in NJ , PA . Violation of rights never secret from victims . CA Gov Ray Davis veto : ' no  need to keep stop records because no evidence goes on . ' .5 of cars found drugs in , white . If raided West-side apartment building  would find .3 w Marajuana , & not even talking abt  U.E.S. . Customs Strip search coming bk frm Jamaica .   51k searchs  .91 no drugs .  >> .5 searches minority . DEA : Operation Pipeline - teaching profiling : Airfreshner , Jamaica Bumper sticker .  Cops claim most drug dealers in NE  Black & Latino . Most NBA players black , not imply most blacks NBA players . Terri v Ohio 4th ammendment waived for street frisks for guns .  [  I`ve been wondering why that`s always the purpose stated by NYPD . ] 45K people searched , 35k nothing , 9500 arests .  8%9 mistakes . 2%3 B&L . Spitzer concluded another couple of 100k stops not recorded .So you have all this harrassment . So ?   Modern Jim Crow , Yellow peril . War on Drugs Other than Alcohol - from beginning  Racial . 1913-17 laws passed to interfere w mkt .  Replaces  Right to Sue  w  Guns . Just made it a criminal mkt .    1973 Rockefeller drug laws . ( At time  Ira  was fighting for decrim of Heroin . - not too popular . ) Had 200k in jail then , now  2M . .13 drug users black . .35 of arrested . .55 of convicted , .74 of jailed . Even W. Bennet admits  SWAT teams in Ghetto , not suburbia .Whites not engaged because not affected .  Split between ideals & behaviors . 1%3 Blacks under jurstiction | all but 4 state take away vote | .14 disenfranchized | .3 in some South . Victims of social & political policies .Complicity . As outragous as intrusion on sexual processes . distinction between use & abuse .  Why do we allow  Gov  to be irrational ? " I`m here with glass of wine . I don`t need treatment . "  Runs on lots of  Adrenalin .  Would be Sched 1 if not internal  .   Prozac Next , Arrest the Fat to force into WeighWatchers . Role of race in maintaining it . When son 15 , told dad  smoked MJ .  Ira Advice : 1) Illegal makes quality uncertain ,  2) Police would love to catch  IraGlasser`s son . We don`t say  Just say No  to driving  tho it  kills many . Danger of police power of state .  Become Sucessor to JimCrow |13:57||13:57| Qs : MaryClevland : what ACLU doing beyond  'Driving While Black ' booklet ? IG : Lobbying states to collect stats .  Ads to collect complaints .  Lot of policy issues not litigable .  Some are : CA MD  1st ammend right to  reccomend MJ .Aud : Entrenched body of thought going along w Cops . ' They`re here , they must be guilty ' ? Are making progress . Issue has penetrated consciousness . Prevailing powers freaked out by RosaParks . Is Believer in being Doer .     VinceLombardi : Never lost football game , occasionally time ran out . Time w us . Their one advantage is ability to discouratge .  Closer than  desegregation in `55 .|14:6| TH : thanks for changing our views . IG : thought you already agreed .|15:30| home @ PeckSlip .  Told Ira I agreed w ACLU except when Statist presumption - like Parent`s right to have what ever ' weak minded ' religious education for their kids  they want . Ira seems hung on past racial inequities .  E.G. Re  my Yankees cap ( see SUN.SEP,990926 ) , he commented they were last team to have black players . ( I`ve been interested to note how hetrogeneous their now team is .  They &  www.yankees.com  pursue the  Hispanic market in Spanish . )  Teams which would be great seek talent wherever they can find it . Ira also repeated the reparationist mantra that  US  whites are benefiting from the sweat of the slaves .   Yea , All of us , where ever  we`re from , whatever we look like or how ever long our families have been  here , are building upon the creation of all those who came before . I`m not much on looking for reparations from the past . I`d rather create future . As Yassir Arafat says : With my enemys I make friends ; With my friends , I make business .   Ira argues that Statist remedies are needed to fix the Statist created inequities of the past .   I reject . 
  Katznebach    ============================: WED.SEP,990915 :============================ Please keep in mind , when reading my  comments  and Cursor activated  CoSy Comment Comments , that I have great respect for the speakers . I wouldn`t have dropped my $50 to meet them otherwise . My reactions reflect the distance between the LBJ era Statist perspective , and the simpler Libertarian . 12-14|   PRDI  LUNCHEON on DRUG POLICY : Hon. Nicholas Katzenbach , former US att'y gen'l : "Drug Policy and the Rule of Law" . HARMONIE CLUB , 4 E. 60th , $50  RSVP 212-362-1964 [ 990910,12:31| c< PRDI confirm  0915 . ]|13:25| TomHaines :  Intro : Katzenbach , hero since dealt w Gov Wallace . Deputy AtnyGen Under Bob Kennedy . Integrity to look @ drug policy afresh .|13:28| Mouth full of novocain .  When law became politicized , He in JoD . Lindon Johnson  Crime commission : LBJ wanted piece of State action . Safe Streets Act . Politicizing Criminal process . more $$ in enforcement & prisons . Drug Policy victim . Money almost totally in enforce , not treat . War of Poverty not sucessful , Drugs also not . Violent criminals should not be treated any different if intoxicated . Foreign interdiction of supply distribution chain .  Problem is demand .  Relatively easy to smuggle . 2nd part that bothers : huge amount of discretion given police &  prosecutors .  Min Mandates etc transfers power from Court to Prosecutor .  Prosecutors try to use  Power  to move up  Distribution Chain .  Could go out w butterfly net and fill in no time .  Posession w intent to sell - just means  Enough to have been sold .  Prison pop exploded : violent getting released instead of non- . Policy not all bad . 1st thing to do : Politicans can accept increase money  of treatment .  Cheaper . Drug courts force to plead guilty . Coercion is a problem . Like to see lot of money spent . Not much knowledge on how effective free drug treatment on demand would  be .  Not controversial . Could get Gen McCafrey to agree .  Petaki initiative defeated by Silver & Dems . Encourage more talk on decriminalization & legalization . May be some things ought to decriminalize . Don`tl leave on books what will not enforce . If FDA  can establish any positive effects , should be able to prescribe .  Clean needles   : critics say sounds like endorsing .  DUH !  I have never understood How anyone could figure that someone affording  Heroin could not afford their own needles . To make sure needle are  expensive , they Outlaw an Adult Citizen`s Right to buy Medical Injection  Equipment . Conclude : If only didn`t have potential for tremendous injustice . Alcohol more serious problem .  No great feeling It should be punishable .|13:50| ?s : Legalize ? Hard to know risk . may be coward . If took everything off would be in same  position as alcohol .  Yea ? | Budgetary impact , uniform regulation , income , pay for treatment .  Destabilize Columbia , Federalization of Crime ? That`s Why encourage talk .| Steve : WoD & Largest Prison Pop . Not completely related to public safety  needs ? Not fair to blame totally on WoD .  Black vs White , powder v crack .| David  : hadn`t heard reasonable plan . Need Regulatory control not unlike NYS Liquor authority . Main Drugs : Marahuana , Cocain , Heroin ( I : amphedamines ) , thanks , and seconal | Just  .1 - .15 addicts . Lot non abusers . What will help larger body of users ? He making just modest steps .| Charles : in complete agreement that discussion only good . McCaffry won`t come to forums . Will NOT discuss ? Difficult to deal w political process .  # willing to put something in Congressional Record growing . Might be able to get some movement of Funds . | C : just trying to get people to defend policy ? Don`t think McCaffrey feels free to move funds around . | Gov of PR  Pedro(?) Invading houses . Make data available . Commissioner of Police son in AA Miami Bust .| Busn man : couldn`t set up better distribution sys . Should be like Alcohol ( " I alcoholic " ) : 2 most promoted consumer products . All target kids ? We may be doing that w drugs .  [ DARE failure ]| Ed Eisen : Med research & addiction ? Don`t know much . Why some stop smoking , some can`t .| Henry : Psychiatrist : Med research funding made difficult .| I Defend your position . Need to move to regulation . Can`t get pols to go along . no public consensus . Need Funding for Research .  Not happen in my lifetime .  Yes it will . | LarryParks : Laws made on Lobbying . Money comes from  40B$ Wo(S)D industry ? Make attractive to claim to be able to save money .| EdwinEisen : DEA publication - Museum of DEA . Phone Line how to defeat Flat tax people .  Is it appropriate for Bureaus to defend own existance ? Under Education line item .|14:15|  Spend Spend Spend . Move that (Taken) Money .