Nicholas Katzenbach , WED.SEP,990915

 
  ============================: TUE.OCT,991012 :============================
12-14|  PRDI  LUNCHEON on DRUG POLICY : Ira Glasser, Exec Dir ACLU
 : "Drug Prohibition & Individual Rts." . HARMONIE CLUB , 4 E. 60th , $50
  RSVP  212-362-1964
|13:17| TomH : Free Speach .8 sucess in Supreme Crt . Drugs < .2 .
 Ira brought Drugs up front w ACLU .
|13:19| IraG : Total assault on notion of individual sovereignty . w talk abt
 Racial effect . If evenly applied , could not be sustained .
 ( Speaking on campus must remember that aud not alive when Regan took office
 ) . Must be Historian .   120k citizens ( Japanese ) imprisoned in `42 .
 ACLU . Racism & War Hysteria . Speaks out while happening . Not same
  treatment for Italians or Germans .
 Slaves : 'Inalianable rights did not apply . '
 `42 not unique . Only learned of Jap situation in `60s when started working
  for ACLU .  RR signed reparations bill in `82 .
 Skin color once again being used as evidence . Ohio Lawyer Robert Wilkins
 family stopped & humiliated on interstate . Black Teens now best know
 Traffic codes . Rogue Policy , not just individual cops .
 .17 driven by blacks , .73 of stopped . Latinos make tot .8 .
 Same pattern in NJ , PA .
 Violation of rights never secret from victims . CA Gov Ray Davis veto : ' no
  need to keep stop records because no evidence goes on . '
 .5 of cars found drugs in , white . If raided West-side apartment building
  would find .3 w Marajuana , & not even talking abt  U.E.S. .
 Customs Strip search coming bk frm Jamaica .   51k searchs  .91 no drugs .
  >> .5 searches minority .
 DEA : Operation Pipeline - teaching profiling : Airfreshner , Jamaica Bumper
 sticker .  Cops claim most drug dealers in NE  Black & Latino .
 Most NBA players black , not imply most blacks NBA players .
 Terri v Ohio 4th ammendment waived for street frisks for guns .
  [  I`ve been wondering why that`s always the purpose stated by NYPD . ]
 45K people searched , 35k nothing , 9500 arests .  8%9 mistakes .
 2%3 B&L . Spitzer concluded another couple of 100k stops not recorded .
So you have all this harrassment . So ?   Modern Jim Crow , Yellow peril .
 War on Drugs Other than Alcohol - from beginning  Racial .
 1913-17 laws passed to interfere w mkt .  Replaces  Right to Sue  w  Guns .
 Just made it a criminal mkt .    1973 Rockefeller drug laws .
 ( At time  Ira  was fighting for decrim of Heroin . - not too popular . )
 Had 200k in jail then , now  2M .
 .13 drug users black . .35 of arrested . .55 of convicted , .74 of jailed .
 Even W. Bennet admits  SWAT teams in Ghetto , not suburbia .
Whites not engaged because not affected .  Split between ideals & behaviors .
 1%3 Blacks under jurstiction | all but 4 state take away vote |
 .14 disenfranchized | .3 in some South .
 Victims of social & political policies .
Complicity . As outragous as intrusion on sexual processes .
 distinction between use & abuse .  Why do we allow  Gov  to be irrational ?
 " I`m here with glass of wine . I don`t need treatment . "
  Runs on lots of  Adrenalin .  Would be Sched 1 if not internal  .   Prozac
 Next , Arrest the Fat to force into WeighWatchers .
 Role of race in maintaining it .
 When son 15 , told dad  smoked MJ .
  Ira Advice : 1) Illegal makes quality uncertain ,
  2) Police would love to catch  IraGlasser`s son .
 We don`t say  Just say No  to driving  tho it  kills many .
 Danger of police power of state .  Become Sucessor to JimCrow |13:57|
|13:57| Qs :
 MaryClevland : what ACLU doing beyond  'Driving While Black ' booklet ?
 IG : Lobbying states to collect stats .  Ads to collect complaints .
  Lot of policy issues not litigable .  Some are : CA MD  1st ammend right to
  reccomend MJ .
Aud : Entrenched body of thought going along w Cops . ' They`re here , they
 must be guilty ' ? Are making progress . Issue has penetrated consciousness .
 Prevailing powers freaked out by RosaParks .
 Is Believer in being Doer .    
 VinceLombardi : Never lost football game , occasionally time ran out .
 Time w us . Their one advantage is ability to discouratge .  Closer than
  desegregation in `55 .
|14:6| TH : thanks for changing our views . IG : thought you already agreed .
|15:30| home @ PeckSlip . 

 Told Ira I agreed w ACLU except when Statist presumption - like Parent`s
 right to have what ever ' weak minded ' religious education for their kids
  they want .
 Ira seems hung on past racial inequities .  E.G. Re  my Yankees cap ( see
 SUN.SEP,990926 ) , he commented they were last team to have black players .
 ( I`ve been interested to note how hetrogeneous their now team is .
  They &  www.yankees.com  pursue the  Hispanic market in Spanish . )
  Teams which would be great seek talent wherever they can find it .
 Ira also repeated the reparationist mantra that  US  whites are benefiting
 from the sweat of the slaves .   Yea , All of us , where ever
  we`re from , whatever we look like or how ever long our families have been
  here , are building upon the creation of all those who came before .
 I`m not much on looking for reparations from the past . I`d rather create
 future . As Yassir Arafat says : With my enemys I make friends ; With my
 friends , I make business .  

 Ira argues that Statist remedies are needed to fix the Statist created
 inequities of the past .   I reject . 


  Katznebach  
  ============================: WED.SEP,990915 :============================
 Please keep in mind , when reading my  comments  and Cursor
 activated  CoSy Comment Comments , that I have great respect
 for the speakers . I wouldn`t have dropped my $50 to meet them otherwise .
 My reactions reflect the distance between the LBJ era Statist perspective ,
 and the simpler Libertarian . 
12-14|   PRDI  LUNCHEON on DRUG POLICY : Hon. Nicholas Katzenbach ,
 former US att'y gen'l : "Drug Policy and the Rule of Law" . HARMONIE CLUB ,
 4 E. 60th , $50  RSVP 212-362-1964
 [ 990910,12:31| c< PRDI confirm  0915 . ]
|13:25| TomHaines :  Intro : Katzenbach , hero since dealt w
 Gov Wallace . Deputy AtnyGen Under Bob Kennedy .
 Integrity to look @ drug policy afresh .
|13:28| Mouth full of novocain .  When law became politicized , He in JoD .
 Lindon Johnson  Crime commission : LBJ wanted piece of State action .
 Safe Streets Act . Politicizing Criminal process . more $$ in enforcement &
 prisons . Drug Policy victim . Money almost totally in enforce , not treat .
 War of Poverty not sucessful , Drugs also not .
 Violent criminals should not be treated any different if intoxicated .
 Foreign interdiction of supply distribution chain .  Problem is demand .
  Relatively easy to smuggle .
 2nd part that bothers : huge amount of discretion given police &
  prosecutors .  Min Mandates etc transfers power from Court to Prosecutor .
  Prosecutors try to use  Power  to move up  Distribution Chain .
  Could go out w butterfly net and fill in no time .
  Posession w intent to sell - just means  Enough to have been sold .
  Prison pop exploded : violent getting released instead of non- .
 Policy not all bad . 1st thing to do : Politicans can accept increase money
  of treatment .  Cheaper . Drug courts force to plead guilty .
 Coercion is a problem . Like to see lot of money spent .
 Not much knowledge on how effective free drug treatment on demand would
  be . 
 Not controversial . Could get Gen McCafrey to agree . 
 Petaki initiative defeated by Silver & Dems . Encourage more talk on
 decriminalization & legalization . May be some things ought to
 decriminalize . Don`tl leave on books what will not enforce . If FDA  can
 establish any positive effects , should be able to prescribe . 
 Clean needles   : critics say sounds like endorsing .  DUH !
  I have never understood How anyone could figure that someone affording
  Heroin could not afford their own needles . To make sure needle are
  expensive , they Outlaw an Adult Citizen`s Right to buy Medical Injection
  Equipment . 
Conclude : If only didn`t have potential for tremendous injustice .
 Alcohol more serious problem .  No great feeling It should be punishable .
|13:50| ?s : Legalize ?
 Hard to know risk . may be coward . If took everything off would be in same
  position as alcohol .  Yea ? 

| Budgetary impact , uniform regulation , income , pay for treatment .
  Destabilize Columbia , Federalization of Crime ?
 That`s Why encourage talk .

| Steve : WoD & Largest Prison Pop . Not completely related to public safety
  needs ?
 Not fair to blame totally on WoD .  Black vs White , powder v crack .

| David  : hadn`t heard reasonable plan . Need Regulatory
 control not unlike NYS Liquor authority . Main Drugs : Marahuana , Cocain ,
 Heroin ( I : amphedamines ) , thanks , and seconal | Just  .1 - .15 addicts .
 Lot non abusers . What will help larger body of users ?
 He making just modest steps .

| Charles : in complete agreement that discussion only good . McCaffry won`t
 come to forums . Will NOT discuss ?
 Difficult to deal w political process .  # willing to put something in
 Congressional Record growing . Might be able to get some movement of
 Funds . 

| C : just trying to get people to defend policy ?
 Don`t think McCaffrey feels free to move funds around . 

| Gov of PR  Pedro(?) Invading houses . Make data available .
 Commissioner of Police son in AA Miami Bust .

| Busn man : couldn`t set up better distribution sys . Should be like
 Alcohol ( " I alcoholic " ) : 2 most promoted consumer products .
 All target kids ?
 We may be doing that w drugs .  [ DARE failure ]

| Ed Eisen : Med research & addiction ?
 Don`t know much . Why some stop smoking , some can`t .

| Henry : Psychiatrist : Med research funding made difficult .

| I Defend your position . Need to move to regulation . Can`t get pols to go
 along . no public consensus . Need Funding for Research . 
 Not happen in my lifetime .  Yes it will . 

| LarryParks : Laws made on Lobbying . Money comes from  40B$ Wo(S)D
 industry ?
 Make attractive to claim to be able to save money .

| EdwinEisen : DEA publication - Museum of DEA . Phone Line how to defeat
 Flat tax people .  Is it appropriate for Bureaus to defend own existance ?
 Under Education line item .
|14:15|  Spend Spend Spend . Move that (Taken) Money .