Subject: RE: I plan to take JerroldNadler`s NY 8th district seat .
   Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:00:14 -0500
   From: "Jens Fiederer" 
 Jens worked with me back in Rochester NY ~ `81 . I can`t
believe some of my misspellings in the  original copy
 
Good luck.  Wrong district for you to get my vote (although I do vote
Libertarian almost whenever I get a chance).
Your spelling is getting better.
-----Original Message-----
hubris
consistent
perjury
integrity
Liars. Liers would be more like couch potatoes.  I looked 'lier'
 up and found it . 
I've kind of missed correcting your spelling, thanks for the opportunity!
Subject: Re: Recent events & commentary
   Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:33:01 +0000
   From: "John Westergaard" 
I encourage you to run but I don't vote: it just encourages the bastards.
> Date:          Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:52:04 -0500
> Subject:       Recent events & commentary
> John ,
>  After getting the e-mail cited below out to BobBarr , et al ,
>  yesterday morning I went for a walk to J&R`s giant Cigar emporium
>  by Wall & Pearl , and wandered on down to the Battery and Holocaust
>  Museum ( first time I`ve been over there since it was built ) .
>  I stopped in at the  Financial History Museum  at 26 Broadway .
>
>  Interesting to see your listing as trustee in their magazine .
>
>  Re: NYSE expansion : the idea of the Government subsidizing the central
>   market place of Capitalism in clearly stupid plans is a grotesque
>   example of how corrupt and out of control the Governments have
>   gotten .
>   But , the Government reducing their Tax burden down here has
>   contributed to the area`s resurgence .
>
>  -- BobArmstrong --  http://CoSy.com
John Westergaard       john@westergaard.com
 http://www.wbn.com 
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 I am surprised John , who is friend of and Y2K consultant to ,
 Pat Moynahan has given up voting . 
     Subject: Re: Recent events & commentary
        Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:48:17 -0500
       From: BobArmstrong 
         To: John Westergaard 
John Westergaard wrote:
> I encourage you to run but I don't vote: it just encourages the
> bastards.
 I guess you`re East Side anyway .
 Jesse The Mind  won largely on  Never Had a Reason to Before  voters .
 -- BobArmstrong --  http://CoSy.com
 
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[ TUE.DEC,981201,16:41-4| I recieved clarification from Airhitch that the
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 reflects the opinions of the Airhitch(r) Online Staff as a whole. '
 I have emended the e-mail addresses below to reflect this . ] 
 Subject: Re: I plan to take JerroldNadler`s NY 8th district seat .
   Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:53:52 -0800
   From: [ chas.baxter@iname.com ]
>At 04:52 PM 11/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> [ chas.baxter@iname.com ] wrote:
>>> How do you figure Clinton as a "sexual predator"? If Clinton is a "sexual
>>> predator" then EVERY male is, at some time in his life, one.
>> When they are married and claim the moral authority to be Mommy and Daddy
>> to our Global Village ? 
> That's a separate issue. Whether or not their value system agrees with
> yours does not influence whether one is a "sexual predator". "Hypocrite,"
> perhaps; "bullshitter," almost definitely.   
 In their hypocrisy They MADE the law that a man must reveal his sexual past
 if a woman charges him with harrassment . If We have to live by laws They
 create , so do They .
  ChrisGarvey`s great Clinton Poem  expresses this beautifully .
 What hypocrisy for Clinton to sign the latest attempt to limit Web content
 deemed  "harmful to minors." 
 The only way to remove any of the stain he ( and she ) have have brought
 upon our  WhiteHouse is to get them out of it ASAP . 
> But "predation" is an exploitative thing and I have seen no evidence that
> any of the wimmin Clinton fooled around with were exploited in ANY way. Au
> contraire, it seems to me they have served their own interests very well.
 Then how come a substantial number of them have been doing their damnedest
 to take him down ? Surfing Sun pm , I saw some absolute trashing of him by
 some ex-Miss America or something which unfortunately I didn`t note .
 Bottom line , she considered him quite dangerous . 
> As for Hillary, she certainly doesn't seem to have any complaints.
 That`s a good question .  Why doesn`t She ?
 Look what she did to the  Travel office workers 
 while trying to nationalize the medical industry under their management
 WhiteHouse is to get them out of it ASAP . 
> But "predation" is an exploitative thing and I have seen no evidence that
> any of the wimmin Clinton fooled around with were exploited in ANY way. Au
> contraire, it seems to me they have served their own interests very well.
 Then how come a substantial number of them have been doing their damnedest
 to take him down ? Surfing Sun pm , I saw some absolute trashing of him by
 some ex-Miss America or something which unfortunately I didn`t note .
 Bottom line , she considered him quite dangerous . 
> As for Hillary, she certainly doesn't seem to have any complaints.
 That`s a good question .  Why doesn`t She ?
 Look what she did to the  Travel office workers 
 while trying to nationalize the medical industry under their management  .
 They have a devils` pact of mendacity . 
> and even if she did, that's between THEM and has nothing to do with
> "predation". She has not been questioned under oath about HER sexual and
> emotional life, so we don't know what her sexuality is like.
> For you to sit there on a high and mighty moral pedestal and call Clinton
> "predatory" is a real JOKE -- and, trust me, a joke 90% of the electorate
> will see through. 
 I thought a lot about your comments on my description ' serial sexual
 predator ' I`m sure there must be some standard term of art in harrasment
 case law , but when you do , over years , they things a number of women say
 he has ... What word would you like . 
>> Do you lie to your mates ? 
> I don't have any "mates", but if I did, whether or not I lied to them would
> have nothing to do with "predation". People
 .
 They have a devils` pact of mendacity . 
> and even if she did, that's between THEM and has nothing to do with
> "predation". She has not been questioned under oath about HER sexual and
> emotional life, so we don't know what her sexuality is like.
> For you to sit there on a high and mighty moral pedestal and call Clinton
> "predatory" is a real JOKE -- and, trust me, a joke 90% of the electorate
> will see through. 
 I thought a lot about your comments on my description ' serial sexual
 predator ' I`m sure there must be some standard term of art in harrasment
 case law , but when you do , over years , they things a number of women say
 he has ... What word would you like . 
>> Do you lie to your mates ? 
> I don't have any "mates", but if I did, whether or not I lied to them would
> have nothing to do with "predation". People  lie all the time about all sorts
> of things, and high on that list of "things" is sex, but that doesn't make
> them "predators". Your metaphor stinks. And by the way...do you know where
> it comes from? It's an animal-behavior term, first used by Darwin to
> describe feeding behavior of species. To "prey upon" literally means to
> "kill and devour." Applying it to sexuality, which is a much more
> controversial and complex area of behavior than feeding behavior, is WAY
> out of bounds linguistically. If you can show me one shred of evidence that
> any of the wimmin Clinton had liaisons with truly feel physically harmed
> or damaged in any way, so that they could qualify for the description of
> having been "killed and eaten" (well, eaten, maybe, but presumably they
> would have gotten as much pleasure out of that as he did!), then I will
> begin to consider that you might have a brain in your head.
 His 'defense' is that he did NOTHING to pleasure ML . 
> "Sexual predation" could only be equated with RAPE. There can be no
> "predation" between consenting adults. And no one, not even Kenneth Starr,
> alleges that there was anything non-consensual about any of this. Further,
> you demean wimmin when you argue (by your use of this metaphor) that they
> are just weak and defenseless creatures upon whom males "prey". So I would
> strongly suggest, if you want to get elected, that you adjust your metaphors
> to the temper of the times -- for you will not find much sympathy among the
> electorate in general, at least not among those voters who have a brain in
> their head, for this kind of hyperbolic misuse of language. 
 Frankly you lost me . Why this total hang up on the use of one descriptor ?
 Bottom line , a woman filed suit claiming an "unwanted sexual advance" by
 Bill C. under laws he supported , and in some cases signed , which have made
 such things causes of action which have cost many men and corporations , in
 particular , many millions of dollars of costs and damages . A boss is
 required to answer questions about any other relationships with employees .
  This man  personifying the character of  US  , Lied .
 lie all the time about all sorts
> of things, and high on that list of "things" is sex, but that doesn't make
> them "predators". Your metaphor stinks. And by the way...do you know where
> it comes from? It's an animal-behavior term, first used by Darwin to
> describe feeding behavior of species. To "prey upon" literally means to
> "kill and devour." Applying it to sexuality, which is a much more
> controversial and complex area of behavior than feeding behavior, is WAY
> out of bounds linguistically. If you can show me one shred of evidence that
> any of the wimmin Clinton had liaisons with truly feel physically harmed
> or damaged in any way, so that they could qualify for the description of
> having been "killed and eaten" (well, eaten, maybe, but presumably they
> would have gotten as much pleasure out of that as he did!), then I will
> begin to consider that you might have a brain in your head.
 His 'defense' is that he did NOTHING to pleasure ML . 
> "Sexual predation" could only be equated with RAPE. There can be no
> "predation" between consenting adults. And no one, not even Kenneth Starr,
> alleges that there was anything non-consensual about any of this. Further,
> you demean wimmin when you argue (by your use of this metaphor) that they
> are just weak and defenseless creatures upon whom males "prey". So I would
> strongly suggest, if you want to get elected, that you adjust your metaphors
> to the temper of the times -- for you will not find much sympathy among the
> electorate in general, at least not among those voters who have a brain in
> their head, for this kind of hyperbolic misuse of language. 
 Frankly you lost me . Why this total hang up on the use of one descriptor ?
 Bottom line , a woman filed suit claiming an "unwanted sexual advance" by
 Bill C. under laws he supported , and in some cases signed , which have made
 such things causes of action which have cost many men and corporations , in
 particular , many millions of dollars of costs and damages . A boss is
 required to answer questions about any other relationships with employees .
  This man  personifying the character of  US  , Lied .
 
     Subject: Re: I plan to take JerroldNadler`s NY 8th district seat .
        Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:33:28 +0000
        From: Bob Hoekstra 
 Organization: Hoekstra Systems Ltd
Bob Armstrong wrote:
> Pardon my spam , but I have reason to believe you may be interested in the
>  letter below :
>...
Hi - this is fascinating news. Good luck with this, keep us informed.
Armstrong in the White House?
Regards
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