QueensLibertarians meet @ BohemianHall 29-19 24av Astoria ( near N @ Astoria Blvd ) . Fun place for %2 liters Czech Beer .

  ============================: WED.OCT,001018 :============================19| Stephen Kagann , NYS Chief Economist : Federal transfer of wealth from Northern to Sunshine states .  Queens Libertarians |19:15|  Life of Economist in Politics : in Academic & in Busn integrety . half of life fending off data miners : eg . : Controlor claimed all growth Wall St . - data picked starting pt : 1990 . Cuomo claimed taxes don`t matter for job growth . ' Only a supply side idiot or trickle down fool ' would believe taxes matter .   Dinkens passed tax in Jun retroacive to Jan . Raised taxes in `90 `91 , `92 hit wall . City tax biggest killer of jobs there NYC is most energy efficient place in Country . Additional caps gains on RE xacts > $1M . Hotel tax from .15 -> .21 + .01 | Did study showing would cost 300k jobs .  ended up being 350k . Since `95 tax cuts . Wall St is Vallone let one sur charge expire when running for Gov . City running surplus even w/o commuter tax . Had ltr in NYTimes couple of weeks ago : 'real earnings of'  Use CPI `89 hi point . CPI linked to COLAs .   | `89 - `99 | done correctly  bottom up .13 Agenda to make feel guilty - support more gov . connect min wage to avg NY wage which includeds WS . Up State economy - $1B taxes means 45k jobs .  Hillary phony 200k job plan for upstate . E.J.McMann : Manhattan Inst . Analysis : Bush would leave 3 x $ in NY . Moynahan study : Since New Deal & WW2 - Fed xfer to Sun States  Econ plan v ' risky spending '  .  Mark Egadon on CNN tonight talking abt SK`s study . East Side of Manhattan Carol Maloney`s hardest hit by tax increase . Estate Tax higest : FL , NY , NJ ( House value ) . At least getting the rich .   | Clinton tax increase of `93 . NY was still in Cuomo Dinkens recessio .   1 % 5 private sector jobs lost . Look @ any Liberal Econ text , eg Samulson . Taxes depress . Schummer ' Fairness ' . Big mfgrs in upstate pay  $60k . We pay more given cost of living here vs . NY since `81 . | Growth v Tax ::   r : -.45 Fort Drum only major Mil base left in NYS . Our congressional delegation hostile to military . 3 military Clinton closure counties responsibe for 1%3 total state job losses . 40B$ deficit between NYS Fed taxes vs Spending . Exit of money from state greater than total state taxes . Cuomo tax increases cost 100k jobs . Clinton tax plans hurt NY .|20:16| Ranking game - Upstate , if whole state would rank  4nth in nation . Up State NY if ranked -  |  claim NYS labor dept 'fudging' . NY Post piece : Upstate beating other industrial states .   BLS makes rules & pays bills . Cuomo had to revise down .  | Fiscal Policy Inst . gloomy #s . regional labor mkt analysts .   - people saying cooking . Hillary . BLS backed down on claims of cooked books . Lies abt natnl econ : Fed #s : brought down interest rates . - rates on provate debt up .|20:25| Qs : Big Lie - CPI PPI , GDP Deflator comb of 2 . JC : unemployment stats . stopped counting those not looking after yr . ? journalists have no bkgrnd in econ . WS  .06 of employment , .12 of wages . West Side 2nd highest hit . Nadler no talk of Econ . Feels Liz Holtzman had integrity . Only 1 on NYS delegation voted for cap gains cut which most helps metro area NYTimes everything . Outside NYC Trickel Down Econ : dif between what on left of pay stub & what they let trickle down to you .  Mcman S Why NYC Liberal : analog Cuba - Angry people leave . NYC `70s & `90s colapses -Procia :  NYC immegrent language barrier - AFL-CIO run by public sector guy . |Gene : Imegratant effect ?  Utica .Intelegencs of pop ? Writing for NY Post reader , no , got to get down to city councel . Mfging pulling Syracuse up .  Troy was near bankrupcy - raised taxes . Rochester growing dispite Kodak , Xerox , B&L . 93 ||21:7| Jim S : we have lots of work to do to get info out . If people whan there future to be stable , stop gov growth .|21:10| JC : been all over state . plaver the same lines over & over . WLIW Long Island democracy project night before last . will be on pub TV  after Jim Lehrer | Media has been coming to events & doing interviews . hr on  Syracuse talk radio . Is booming city . Main issue resonateing is gun issue . Amsterdam 3 co $1900  30k circulation . TV spots finished . need 2000$ neede to get matching National funds . Will only be able to run in 5 boro area .  Radio : Howard Stern . Did not get money from National LP ad . Never seen any Browne commercials .  |21:30|  ============================: SAT.MAY,000513 :============================10-16|  QueensLibertarians  Annual meeting . Bohemian Hall 29-19 24 Av , Astoria .  Topic : Ending War on Drugs . $30|9:58||13:9| Jim Strawhorn : Fred Newton got program together . |JohMoran Cmt Bd 3 . les Gay . JS : Lowest level of Gov ( MarkAiken : isn`t that the Mayor . ) |13:13| intro John , me , & Legalize . | Goal : $1000 donations . Buying & distributing literature .|13:23| JohnClifton : Contrast w Hillary & G : Antidote to whole nanny & police state .Audry : The one candidate who isn`t mean . | Cable Advertising . Try to get us into Prime Time .  We Exist . Long Island convention next wk . AC : LI LP meeting next wk Islandia Suffok Cnty . |  400 $ .|13:41| JimS : since growing up heared we`ve come a long way since WoD :  equiv of mass murders in CCCP , Nazi Cambodia . I is rediculous . Sledgehammer public policy . should not be going on . 3 speakers : Affects policing taxacion education safety . Not tru that just want . paying for telling lies to children abt drugs .|13:48| ErnestDrucker MD : US prime mover Around World in prohibition . RoW not willing to buy all the way into US damage to citizen . Mkts overseas very hi profit  all over world . Russia recently outlawed  methadone US&UN . Needle exchange stops aids . .4 NYC injected drug users  have AIDs . Australia w N.E. : .02 | Tasmainia Glaxo-Welcome Opium  production | US presured veto over Au State Heroin maintanence trial . Far more powerful  drugs prescribed every day - H very strong antidepressant  %20 become dependent on coke . Lot of new psychotropics more expensive Published article in Sidney : Just Say NO to US . alway drunk wine w dinner always will .  British 11K bodies in boats in Hudson in Revolutionary War .|14:2| JS : connection w public health . Puratan Theocracy - regard for truth casualty . Aaron Wilson PRDI : Public Information : Trying to counter spin the WoD . Expertise DB on web . Us a consumers of media : Role of Media `86 Ragan decloration . Media consensus for 0 Tolerence . Media now flipping side . We becoming more astute . Used to be dominated by prohibitionists . TV media . Go for TV . Office of National Drug Policy . Ptnrship for Drug Free Amer . pro drug war . Air time costs went up . Donated time down . 100M$ % yr to buy  w .5 .5 donation of time - I.E. pay half rate . Substitute msgs in , e.g. sitcom , plots and editorials for hard ad spots . A sort of payola - hidden payments . At least $25M so far . Print & Talk Radio getting better . Property seizures gettng good coverage . Big picture being lost . Episodic ( crime events ) v Thematic ( unemployment ) news coverage . Thematic - broader attributed social responsibility . Supply context to drug & gun busts . Get to know the media . Work around events . Events make news .|14:20| JS : no reporters here . Biza : Police dressed up like thrugs shoot guy pulling out wallet .  Peter Christ ex-cop Buffalo , was sayi Why not singing ? Aren`t you the choir ? | 2 Kinds of people A grp  knew this rediculous before B Grp : know what we doing not working . C Grp : Reconsider - never looked at as political prob needing better soln . D Grp : PC insane .  I`m crazy , I`m not stupid .   Was drug legalizer from time 20 , Watched Untouchables . Realized why   Prohibition Ammendment not work . prohibition just does not work .   Prohibition caused more problems - couldn`t be worse .   Call reporter that Alcohol-related means drunk . 'drug-related' means   bough or sold 6-pack . Like Flat Earth argument .  Gets his strength from women`s sufferage movemnt  . none of pioneers servived to see result .  Put literature in Bathroom | Policy : drives decision when have inadequate  information .  Policy not working - Imagine under Nixon setting Policy :   Let`s call it 'The New Prohibition' quashed by  'War' on Drugs   Alcohol went after Jews , Italians , Irish .   NP : Hispanic Asians & Blacks . Speak lot to Rotary .   Is Major Policy Change : Slavery , Manifest Destiny . Generally we US wake   up .   If talk for > 5 min w someone bring in Drug War . CIA anouncing Biggest Cocane crop in Colombia . Taking babies from Mothers drop off babies | 1st step in harm reduction : legalization . Gain ability to regulate .|14:47| JS : clear thinking .  Qs : Aud : Needle Exchange while hi : ED ? do while withdrawl . NYS legalizing sales of needles w/o prescriptions ! Study : Drug users from diabetic families low rates of infections .  Needles | $ .08 - .1 for needle .Mark.Aximm : Pure Libertarian - offensive to need Gov oked prescription . Market Place | PC : Gov reg of labeling ? Civil redress of fraud .  Sch 1 : bad - Somolia Kat . Sched 2 |  When speaking to Unitarians knows  talking to church of athiests . ED : good outcomes : less death , less insanity | Not the drugs but outcome  that |  2000 overdoses now 10000 | among those imprisoned most .  like measure polutants in Air .|15:7| JS : Alchohol regulation not Libertarian but better than this . AC : kids on psychotropics . | 18th ammendment showed unconstitutionality  of Drug laws ? PC : Court may handle before Legislation . Syracuse Strip  Search case .  4 days of people requesting Jury trials  - everybody  plays along . U.S. Grant : best way to get rid of bad law is srtingent  enforcement . BA : .8 of boys in some suburbs on ridelin . AW : Power & role of Fed Gov . DeFederalize drug policy . AlexP : Meth-amphetimine Internet 1st ammendment threat law . AW : Vote Yes on Q 1 : protect Amhurst youth ( from drug laws -- loss of  scolarships , gov jobs , vote , passport ) .  Registered 2800 students in 15 mo . Karyn , teacher : how defeated DARE ? doesn`t work . Amhurst late teen Coke  use ~ .14 , 2x natnl rate ~ .075 | Eliminated DARE officer funding .   Pushing for "Smart Moves"  or  Stars . PD : shift cops from teaching drugs to teaching non-violent conflict resolution .|15:29|  BobKnife : speak of Re-legalization . PD : Harrison Act fundimentally changed Doctor Patient relation from  advice giver to gate keeper . Aud : Switz voted drug use down . ED : vote poorly phrased but maintained  heroin availablity . PD : Italians decriminalized private posession . BradA : %2 of students have MJ convictions .  Got ltr not even apply for   Jr College , any fed help .  Fed Ed act of `99 . AW : Fed help suspended . 1 charge : 1 yr . 2 convictions 2 yr | more - for  ever . Jerry Solomon . ED : 40k MJ mandated rehab spots . 1500 92 , 38k last yr  .  .14 of tot . Ezra Pound : They were all Fascists . |15:42|JS : hand out Plaques to speakers .  |#| == |#| == |#| == |#| == |#| == |#| == |#| == |#| == |#| == |#| == |#|