Subject: Re: [drugwar] (OT really) Re: War is the life blood of the State .
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:21:32 -0400
To:        <drugwar@mindvox.com>
From:     Bob Armstrong <bob@cosy.com>
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:17:23 -0700 (PDT), Libby wrote:
>=A0Since Andria reopened the discussion, I found a still
>=A0have a few thoughts on this.
>
>=A0>=A0At most , only a few even give a damn . Are the big
>=A0>=A0corporations also the motivators of the burgeoning
>=A0>=A0war on tobacco ?
>=A0------------
>=A0Yes, the ones making money from either give a damn.

 So which are the ones backing the war on tobacco ?
 The zealots I've met are in foundations or public 
 health .
 
>=A0++++
>=A0>=A0>=A0When I deride corporate influence on policy, I'm=A0not
>=A0>=A0>=A0talking about some small guy doing 10 million a=A0year
>=A0>=A0>=A0in trade who probably worked very hard to get=A0where he
>=A0>=A0>=A0did.
>=A0>
>=A0>=A0And the big ones didn't ?
>=A0-----------
>=A0I'm sure it takes a workaholic to try and take over
>=A0the world. Difference is that the little guy is
>=A0probably giving some of it back to the people.

 Big companies are organisations of thousands or 
 tens of thousands of people , many of whom are
 workaholics . Many of the tasks they attempt and
 accomplish are intrinsically on a large scale . 
 They "give" to the people whatever their product is
 in the most efficient manner they can figure out .

> > All sorts of groups , not just large=A0scale
>=A0>=A0enterprises , converge on WDC to b(u)y Force in their
>=A0>=A0favor .
>=A0>=A0It is the market in Force .
>=A0---------------
>=A0You make my point. They buy the law that allows them
>=A0to gain the power. They created the market in a way.

 They are , of course , only one of the whole spectrum
 of "special interests" who petition the state - and 
 many of them are on opposite sides of various issues .

 The libertarian answer is to minimize the Force
 available for sale .

>=A0+++++++++
>=A0>=A0>=A0Dow has a lot of herbicide on it's hands
>=A0>=A0>=A0and we suddenly become hell-bent on defoliating
>=A0>=A0the
>=A0>=A0>=A0tropical rainforest?
>=A0>
>=A0>=A0Dow's total agricultural chemical division earned
>=A0>=A0$154M=A0on $2.7B sales ,
>=A0>=A0perhaps .05 of their total business .
>=A0-----------------
>=A0Their reported business. Call me a conspiracy
>=A0theorist,

 You are a conspiracy theorist . 

> but my guess is they had a lot of inventory
>=A0of a batch of dyglosyphate(sp?) that they couldn't
>=A0legally sell or use in the US and since they have been
>=A0caught in third world countries actually selling
>=A0substandard stock, they had to find a way to use it
>=A0without undue scrutiny. Eradication campaign -
>=A0perfect. If you can find out what the breakdown on the
>=A0herbicide they are using in Columbia, I'd be very
>=A0interested in posting it. I've been looking for it for
>=A0a while. I don't know how they keep that off the
>=A0report but I don't think it's that hard to cook the
>=A0books if the gov is the chef you're supplying.

 Could you give me a source for this ?  I will ask
 Dow about it . 

 Your last sentence says it is the Government which is
 purchasing the stuff ( and soliciting and colluding
 in crime ) yet you continue to express your faith in
 having that government control your economic
 decisions .  I don't get it .

Bob A -- http://CoSy.com 
2003/07/14 10:03:12 PM