Subject: Re: [LPNY DISCUSS] Re: A liberal explains Kerry
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:37:36 -0400
To:        <lpny_discuss@yahoogroups.com>
From:     Bob Armstrong <bob@cosy.com>
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:16:03 -0000, Ronald J. Wieck wrote:
>=A0--- In lpny_discuss@yahoogroups.com, Bob Armstrong=
 <bob@c...>=A0wrote:
>=A0>
>=A0>=A0Ron , WE CREATED THE BASTARD from the `70s thru Reagan .
>
>=A0I'm not feigning ignorance here; I honestly don't understand=
 what
>=A0you mean.

 I just did a quick Google search for "US support saddam=
 Hussein"

 and just to list the first :

  http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm

 Surely you do not argue that our relationships with him have=
 been
 supremely two-faced .

>=A0>=A0>=A0Are you arguing that Kerry is correct in
>=A0>=A0>=A0contending that Chirac could have been persuaded to see=
 things
>=A0> >our=A0way?
>=A0>
>=A0>=A0I don't see things your way . =A0Your views are dangerous to=
 my
>=A0security .
>
>=A0Apart from being an evasion, 

 What evasion ?  You warmongers were wrong , not Chirac . I=
 don't
 give an F what Kerry thinks .

> this comment requires some
>=A0clarification. How exactly are my views dangerous to your=
 security?
>=A0They must be dangerous to mine as well and I surely don't buy=
 that.
 
 Because you and your jingoistic imperialists have GREATLY=
 increased
 the hatred and the terrorists that spawns . 
 
>=A0>=A0>=A0I find that opinion utterly fatuous and I strongly doubt=
 that
>=A0>=A0>=A0Kerry actually believes it. It's just more mindless=
 Bush-bashing.
>=A0>
>=A0>=A0As opposed to brainless Bush-backing .
>
>=A0I call it mindless Bush-bashing because it's a two-headed coin.=
 Bush
>=A0loses if he selects either of two diametrically opposed=
 options.

 Bushit .

>=A0>=A0Well , the only way you maintain that stance is by defining=
 all
> >=A0those=A0who have been alienated as non-allies .
>
>=A0No, it was predictable that the three countries in question=
 would
>=A0seek to thwart our designs precisely because they were not=
 true
>=A0allies.
 
 I think you confirm my contention .

>=A0>=A0>=A0and you have avoided the issue.
>=A0>
>=A0>=A0Which issue ? You contend that there is something horrible=
 about
>=A0>=A0France .
>
>=A0They were duplicitous in their dealings with us. Can you=
 possibly
>=A0deny that?

 And the US is not ? 

>=A0I've had too many French friends , known and known of
>=A0>=A0too many brilliant French mathematicians to not consider=
 them
>=A0>=A0people worth listening to .
>
>=A0A non sequitur.

 Compared to yours , a trivial sop to my French friends .

>=A0>=A0But you try to make an issue of the fact that Kerry honestly=
 likes
>=A0>=A0them while Bush will only dishonestly claim to like them .
>=A0>
>=A0>=A0What's the issue again ?
>
>=A0The issue remains what it has been all along: Kerry contends,
>=A0disingenuously, that Bush alienated the French. =A0France did not=
 like
>=A0us from the start and was not going to cooperate.

 Bush should have listened to them and the RoW and the millions=
 in the
 streets . We should have cooperated with them . We would have a=
 more
 peaceful world now .

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