Subject: Re: [LPNY DISCUSS] Re: the Right in Denial: Osama and the CIA Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:25:40 -0400 To: From: Bob Armstrong I guess you're our Greg Hevia of 2004 . On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:48:24 -0000, Ronald J. Wieck wrote: >=A0=A0=A0=A0One point that can't be stressed too strongly is that Bush= has >=A0shaken the State Department to its core. For career= bureaucrats, the >=A0watchword is stability: they don't care if some tyrant is >=A0slaughtering thousands of innocents. They prefer the bastard= they >=A0know to some unknown quantity. > Bush has a vision, agree with it or >=A0not, and men with visions rock the bureaucratic boat. Reagan had vision too , and shook up the bureaucrats . But he= morally challenged the Evil Empire to tear down their own walls and= statues and they did so without us firing a shot and without fomenting= hatred and distrust and fear and bombs and the chaos of the Israeli= approach around the world . > He insists, >=A0and I concur, that no war on terror is worthy of its name if= it >=A0leaves Saddam Hussein in power. No attempt to change the= ossified >=A0status quo in the Middle East is thinkable with Saddam Hussein= in >=A0power. If he's wrong, then why is al Qaeda fighting so hard in= Iraq? Do you think having a zionist nuclear power imposed and= protected in the middle of the region might have something to do with the= mess there ? >=A0=A0=A0=A0The notion that Bush let bin Laden go to pursue Hussein is >=A0absurd. There are more special ops in Afghanistan than in= Iraq. >=A0Armored divisions aren't too effective against caves. Close to 200,000 personnel in Irag to less than 20,000 in= Afghanistan and you are going to contend if those 200,000 were combing= Afghanistan they would not have either gotten Bin Laden long ago or known= with considerable certainty he was no longer their . Will you admit that in the single absolutely most central and= direct and justifiable mission the US had after 0911 , Bush has FAILED= . Some > Military >=A0analysts such as Victor Davis Hanson and Ralph Peters have= addressed >=A0this issue over and over. and so have Gen. Anthony Zinni , and Tom Clancy , and now the= CIA guy passionately argue BUSH HAS FUCKED UP . >=A0=A0=A0=A0I don't particularly enjoy chaos, but sometimes chaos is an >=A0intermediate stage to a desired result. There's a theorem in Dynamic Programming ( Bell's ) that says= that the optimal path to a goal is to at every point aim towards it= . You don't get to peace by STARTING a war on the basis of LIES . What is the desired result that you contend we are closer to ? I can see nothing but the chaos itself that we would not have= been closer to if we had challenged the Iraqis and their neighbors= to take responsibility for their own situation , >=A0=A0=A0=A0The "world" (read France &=A0Co.) hates us when we assert >=A0ourselves. I am contemptuous of the opinions of those who wish= us >=A0ill. Your contempt for huge masses of humanity oozes thru your= rhetoric . The "world" - and it's large portions of the populations from= Korea to Spain to Colombia , not just "France & Co." - fear us because= we have become the complementary pole forming an axis of evil= with Bin Laden proving his case to hundreds of millions . No one is safe from him . No one is safe from US . -- Status quo is Latin for the mess we're in -- Ronald Reagan -- =A0Bob Armstrong -- http://CoSy.com -- 212-285-1864 Computing Environment : =A0http://CoSy.com/CoSy/ A WTC vision : http://CoSy.com/CoSy/ConicAllConnect/ Badnarik , Libertarian for President=A0=A0:= http://CoSy.com/Liberty.htm =A0=A0=A0For Senator from NY : http://www.silbergerforsenator.org/ =A0=A0WHY DOES THE UNITED STATES INCARCERATE A LARGER PERCENTAGE, AND A LARGER NUMBER, OF ITS CITIZENS THAN ANY OTHER NATION ON= EARTH?=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A06/24/2004 10:16:31 PM