Subject: Re: [nycjunto-discuss] Why Arabs love Israel Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:03:46 -0400 To: Jeffrey Stark From: Bob Armstrong On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:33:12 -0400, Jeffrey Stark wrote: >=A0What exactly is a "settler"? Those who live on expropriated land in the occupied territories= . > Are Jews not allowed to live in other=A0countries? Sure . > Should the=A0so called Palestinian state allow Jews? Yes . >=A0Are you concered about the occupation of lebanon? Yes . > If not why not? > Are you=A0aware of which country in the middle > east provides for the greatest liberty=A0and freedom FOR arabs? Must be Iraq , right ? We've liberated them . Certainly the judgment must be expressed by the populations themselves . Do you have any poll results ? >=A0You see violence, but you need to understand the cause of= violence. > The teacher=A0who sees two kids fighting in the playground is= wholly > immoral if he simply=A0says=A0"i don't care whose fault it it I= want you > to stop fighting." IT DOES=A0MATTER WHOSE=A0FAULT IT IS. Yes . And I see Zionism which strikes me as the same Middle= European notion as Lebensraum , as the root cause . >=A0You continually "see the horrors", but you don't care what >=A0the cause is of them. you don't care to seek the truth of the= situation. > If=A0you were to care about seeking truth rather than an agenda= or emotional >=A0reflex you would really explore if what you hear reported to= you is the >=A0truth. Are you seeking multiple source of the news for example?= Can you >=A0truthfully rely upon CCCN for accurate reporting? There is a world full of sources . Roll the video tape . >=A0Far far far more deaths have occurred in the name of secularism= or >=A0non-religion than by=A0religion. > Now I know that is not what you hear in the NYT or the= government >=A0school=A0that you might have attended (as did I). Actually , my most impressive schooling was at = http://Culver.org . > Nazism and communism just to name two >=A0non religious systems that have slaughtered more than in all= the >=A0inquisitions and religious wars combined. They tried to replace indigenous religion with the religion of= the State . The first commandment of both is thou shall have no= other gods but Me . >=A0Religion is not the problem. Bad religion is the problem. >=A0Judiasm, =A0Chrisitianity, =A0and Budhism, are for the most part in= 2003, >=A0pretty peaceful religions. The other one is NOT. If Judaism is pretty peaceful , it sure is failing miserably . >=A0My morality is to fight against evil and to understand which= side is good. >=A0My moralty is to be concerned about the righteous being made= the scapegoat, >=A0and my morality is to try to to suppress and hopefully destroy= what is evil. But to me you use a very broad and indiscriminate brush based on= religious category . Within any such classification , most are peaceful ,= some are zealots . It's the zealots who are dangerous whatever their= story . >=A0The people whose homes are being destroyed should fight back.= You're right. >=A0Why don't they have an all out war, no holds barred and we'll= see who wins? So the morality here is "might makes right" ? There is no question who has the overwhelming superiority of= arms . >=A0Is that what you want? Who do you think will win? IN THE= HISTORY OF >=A0HUMANITY THERE HAVE NOT BEEN POWERES LIKE THE USA AND ISRAEL= WHO USE THEIR >=A0POWER SO BENEFICIENTLY AND CAUTIOUSLY. I do not see the hands of either being clean . But US ,= rejecting religion as a basis for privilege , has been far more peaceful -- if you= don't count the decimation of the native population . > Other countries that have had=A0disproportional power, throughout= history, > have used it to exploit and conquer. What are we doing in Iraq ? >=A0Jeffrey Stark >=A0Sensor Products Inc. USA >=A0TEL: 973-428-2976 >=A0www.sensorprod.com >=A0jstark@sensorprod.com Are you familiar with Felix Zandman of Vishay (= http://vishay.com ) ? He started with stress sensors and has built a $2B company . Learned mathematics spending WWII in the dark under the kitchen= floor of his family's former ( Catholic ) maid with his brother and= sister-in-law and a third guy . Brilliant tough cookie . Bob A --=A0 =A0Bob Armstrong -- http://CoSy.com -- 212-285-1864 NEW : Newsletter : http://cosy.com/K/CoSy/NL200305.htm Ultimate Computing Environment : =A0http://cosy.com/K/CoSy.htm=A0 A WTC vision : http://cosy.com/CoSy/ConicAllConnect/ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A02003/06/03 2:56:35 PM